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Maras
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Aug 6 2013, 01:31 AM
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не знаю как там с христианством, но о слабой проработке мастерами материалов и моделей ислама на доигровом этапе, а игроками подготовки к хотя бы внешнему отыгрышу обрядов я знал, говорил и боролся в силу своих слабых сил на игре.
Хотя и мастера и игроки приложили (на игре) массу усилий, чтобы создать подобие дар аль ислам (в частности в Каире), чувствовалось отсутсвие нужной подготовки.

- Не хватало имамов и их помощников в мечети. поэтому некоторые намазы пропускались.
- почему то большинство правоверных решили что каждый намаз надо совершать в мечети, хотя хватило бы только вечернего как модели пятничной проповеди. Сами проповеди оставляли желать лучшего.
Смешно, но мы с суннитским имамом чередовали проведение намазов и проповедей т.к. банально не хватало времени, ибо еще надо было принимать паломников к нашей святыне, руководить духовной общиной и т.д.

- не хватало роли мухтасибов в городах ислама, которые следили бы за жизнью по шариату. Мои попытки кидать в одиноких женщин шишками привели к модели, что хотя бы в городе женщины ходили по двое, не менее. Хотя одинокие паломницы встречались через одну.

- не отыгрывался ни закят, ни хумс и наджва у исмаилитов. Не хватало ролей для их сбора. Хотя садаку платили исправно, за что особое спасибо женщинам Каира.

- шариатский суд мало был похож на суд ибо наш кади был назначен прямо на игре, а роль сложная и требующая месяцев подготовки. Вот тут меня удивило введение всех 4 суннитских мазхабов в правила игры. Интересно кто то об этом помнил?

- с шиитами исмаилитами, к сожалению, я сам поздно начал подготовку, увязнув в переговорах с мастерами по поводу кто за что отвечает и как с ними связаться. А ведь было что-то около 6 различных ветвей ислама. Группы рассылки, закрытые форумы и специальные мастера или даже игроки ведущие работу по разработке и донесению основ и разницы между очень помогли бы игрокам в отыгрыше именно своей ветви ислама и ислама вообще.
Прочитав раз шесть за день краткий курс истории раннего ислама за 20 мин, еще по 5 раз историю Ахль аль Бейт, Имама Али, Имама Хусейна и прочие азы, у меня не оставалось сил чтобы рассказывать истории из Надж аль Балаги (да простят меня жены из гарема аль Адида!). Не говоря уж о том, что эзотерический трактат о Натиках и Васиках сиротливо намокал в заброшенном медресе.

- праведные максимы были малополезны. куда бы лучше подошло расписание намазов, упрощенная модель поведения и т.п. Принцип такийя удалось втолковать процентам 30% шиитов, и если бы не толерантность Салах ад Дина, пролилось бы много крови.

- Идею с благочестьями я плохо понял. Клеил всем и все подряд в раздел "Духовное для наставников". Иногда в "Благодать". Тексты и эффекты благочестий были имхо плохо подобраны даже не по текстам, а по объяснениям эффектов. Если с "плюшками" для воинов все было ясно, жадностью, гордостью и т.д. тоже можно было допереть, то все остальные изречения были сильно размыты по смыслу, объяснения запутывали игроков еще больше, в результате они конечно были рады их получить (хоть что то) но что делать с этим - не знали и просто копили в книжечках. То ли мне перед игрой чего то не сказали, то ли сама схема была не до конца продумана, но никуда эти наклейки никого не двигали.

- Паломничества были хороши. Но мест их было мало. Они часто были не совсем правильно перемешаны. Например, мне было странно посылать суннитов в Кербелу, а главу футуваа даже весело. Но конечно на такие места надо было по игротеху или специальному игроку, натасканному на игротехнику паломничеств.

Если говорить за исмаили мустали, то община в Аль Кахире процветала пусть даже и под властью халифа иноверца. Младенец имам ждал своего часа выйти из состояния гайбы, был у него и племянник-дублер. Одного из младенцев все же похитили в Сисе. Но провозглашение нового имама политически было бы неверным ибо Салах ад Дину пришлось бы тогда что то делать с исмаилитами, а вот они без него никак бы не выжили. Потому и выжидали.

В связи с незаездом даи ат балаг (специальных связных) передавать тайные сообщения приходилось самым разным и часто неподготовленным людям, что приводило к анекдотичным случаям. (Кстати прошу вернуть перстни с красным камнем и арабской вязью на нем, если они попали к вам в руки). Но община в Аль Кудсе довольно быстро потеряла своего даи, решившего самому стать фидаином, и замкнулась на внутрикомандной игре, хотя и сохранила свой состав почти полностью.

О судьбе высокопоставленного представителя исмаили мустали в Багдаде мне известно лишь, что он добился своей цели в смене халифа на более лояльного к нам, но далее связь была утеряна.

Самых больших успехов добилась община в Шаме (Халебе и Дамаске). Имамом Халеба стал даи Шама, еще несколько важных постов были в руках хасса, совершались "чудесные" сделки с информацией, дезинформацией и т.п. но лучше об этом расскажут сами участники этих подвигов.

Протезилитская деятельность оказалась на редкость удачной. Почти 10 человек, как суннитов так и христиан были обращены в исмаили мустали, правда, часть из них, наверно, не осознало куда же все же их приняли.

С "братьями" низаритами пересечься не удалось, за исключением странных ночных криков : "две девачки-ассасинки зарезали Мараса!". Но кричали, видать не громко, и я не проснулся.

Ну вот как то так
Получилось неплохо
Но могло быть лучше

Обо всем, что слышал и видел, я правдиво поведал, а если я сообщил что-нибудь неверно, пусть меня не порицают и не бранят, а поправят.
Слава господу, владыке миров. Помолимся о Мухаммеде и семье его и всех сподвижниках его.

Джалис ибн Абд аль Тарави или просто Уста Джалис
даи ад дуат исмаили мустали

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Aug 6 2013, 09:50 AM
Отправлено #22

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QUOTE(Olgerd @ Aug 5 2013, 08:52 PM)
Я приводил пример в первом (втором в начале темы) посте, о том как было организовано погружение на 16, Шаг в бессмертие. Чего-то подобного здесь нехватало

Ну, к слову, на 16-хе все сильно разнилось от региона к региону. И если в Испании с религией все ок было, то...
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Aug 6 2013, 01:19 PM
Отправлено #23
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QUOTE(maras @ Aug 6 2013, 04:31 AM)
почти только о религии
Джалис ибн Абд аль Тарави или просто Уста Джалис
даи ад дуат исмаили мустали
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Во-первых, все было не так плохо, ибо дворец, например, по религии был гружен и в Натиках все понимал, как в Али и его потомках и в какой момент кто разошелся с другими ветвями. Нам очень не хватало адекватных посланников и больше общения и советов, потому что странно духовной общине что-то решать отдельными членами.
Провозглашение нового имама я затормозила именно в силу политических причин и опасности делать это во время общего праздника, тут простите, если что. Для агрессивных действий в Каире не хватало физической силы, но это тот же недозаезд и проблема с посланниками.
Если честно, я не знаю ни одну шиитскую женщину в Каире, ходившую одну, более того, знаю, что женщин забывали их мужчины в чайхоне и они покорно сидели два часа, чтобы не выходить без сопровождения.
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Нум
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Aug 7 2013, 07:53 AM
Отправлено #24

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QUOTE(freakygadget @ Aug 6 2013, 01:19 PM)
Если честно, я не знаю ни одну шиитскую женщину в Каире, ходившую одну

Как минимум одну знаете. dry.gif Которая не только ходила одна, но даже иногда плясала и музицировала на площади. rolleyes.gif А однажды даже была вестовым и буфетчицей у каирской стражи - в истории с пирамидами.
ПС. Как же здорово играть роли простых неграмотных и несведущих в политике людей и не заморачиваться на тонкости религиозной грызни между единоверцами! rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif Шииты, сунниты... По мне - главное, чтоб человек достойный был!
ППС. Суннитов в Каире знала только двоих - имама и своего наставника в хирургии (палача). Совершенно милые люди! Ну как с такими враждовать по религиозным расхождениям?
Шехназ, домари.

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Aug 8 2013, 08:52 PM
Отправлено #25

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QUOTE(maras @ Aug 6 2013, 05:31 AM)
почти только о религии


Если говорить за исмаили мустали, то община в Аль Кахире процветала пусть даже и под властью халифа иноверца. Младенец имам ждал своего часа выйти из состояния гайбы, был у него и племянник-дублер. Одного из младенцев все же похитили в Сисе.
даи ад дуат исмаили мустали
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Мы никого не крали, неправда!!! Этот младенец был нам послан Богом, и найден на берегу реки.
Млех и Маремик, княжеская чета, усыновившая младенца Трдата
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Нум
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Aug 8 2013, 09:57 PM
Отправлено #26

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Дозрела до отчёта. Он тут: https://vk.com/topic-49102714_28441007 (много текста!)

Спасибо игрокам - за праздник, а мастерам - за организацию оного.
Спасибо Египту - мирному и тихому, спасибо Каиру - уютному и такому домашнему!
Спасибо командам Каира - гарему халифа, чайхане, пекарне. Отдельное спасибо и благодарность - команде Ас-Саади (они же - "визирня" и "казарма"). Благодаря вам Каир жил (честно говоря, деятельности других команд города я как-то не заметила).
Спасибо нашему доброму джинну Дяде аль-Славе-Сотрясателю-Стен.
Спасибо моим "родичам" - команде "Леге Артис", дамасским домари (и вашим 40000-м боевых слонов! az.gif )
Спасибо семейству Кириян в Иерусалиме.
Спасибо туарегским женщинам - таким туарегским и таким женщинам! clapping.gif
Спасибо всем, кто не дал меня ложно обвинить в соучастии в покушении (очередном - я так понимаю) на епископа в Иерусалиме (ЗБ, привет!)). Особенно - девушке-христианке в белом платке (жаль, не спросила твоё имя).
Спасибо нашим духовным лидерам - имаму Дави и Уста Джалису - за снисходительность и понимание wink.gif Я старалась возмутительное (с точки зрения шариата) поведение компенсировать богоугодными делами) rolleyes.gif
И личные поимённые спасибы всем, с кем познакомилась в Каире и за его пределами, и с кем теперь общаемся по жизни. Команда Ас-Саади, вы - лучшая команда в моей ролевой биографии! Отдельные спасибы дамам. Полина (Ситт аль-Мульк), ты - гениальная актриса! Нара, Оля, Тиуна, Эльза, Астрид - девчонки, вы - дух Каира!
Наш блистательный визирь "унутренних дел" и стражники - вас было мало, но вы пахали, как проклятые за себя и за "того дядю".
Евнухи халифского дворца - вы вообще красавы! Так понимать в деле организации развлекательных мероприятий, и такая предупредительность и вежливость - я оценила! biggrin.gif

И конечно самая главная благодарность - моему дорогому супругу и партнёру по игре, Салеху ат-Тахару - каирскому палачу, хирургу, строителю, "всехнему сержанту", Молотку Аллаха и пр. И по игре, и по жизни.

Крепко обнимаю.
Ваша Шехназ.

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QUOTE(maras @ Aug 6 2013, 01:31 AM)
- не отыгрывался ни закят...

А как же мои 10 серебряных? Разве не закят?
Впрочем, могу и перепутать. Что взять с неграмотной домари - кроме добровольных пожертвований? biggrin.gif

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Aug 9 2013, 12:29 AM
Отправлено #27
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Только раз на игре я увидел как глава султаната убил по дороге шиита, за то, что он не поздоровался! Это лучшее, что я увидел! Огромный респект!


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Как тот шиит, которго убили, могу сказать: я вникал в различия между шиитами и суннитами. И это убийство было, ИМХО, абсолютно недостоверно, тем более, от султана. мусульмане - не католики, что бы резать иноверцев по дороге по принципу "закурить не найдется?".
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Aug 9 2013, 08:40 AM
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Тем более, что несолидно самому султану гоп-стопить по дорогам! У него для этого слуги и воины имеются.
Моё вам фи!
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Aug 10 2013, 07:08 AM
Отправлено #29

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QUOTE(tomka-in @ Aug 9 2013, 12:52 AM)
Мы никого не крали, неправда!!! Этот младенец был нам послан Богом, и найден на берегу реки.

Угу, скажи еще - подарочек на день рожденьица! tongue.gif


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Aug 10 2013, 07:28 AM
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- не отыгрывался ни закят, ни хумс и наджва у исмаилитов. Не хватало ролей для их сбора. Хотя садаку платили исправно, за что особое спасибо женщинам Каира.

После твоего меня устыдления озаботился чуток пожертвовать, и пробегая мимо мечети в соответствующем расположении духа, выгреб из кошеля несколько монеток, пошел отдавать. В мечети никого не нашел, вспомнил, что ты говорил про какой-то чайничек, куда тоже можно. О, а вон и чайник стоит - высыпаю туда мелочь, а оттуда буль-буль-буль... Оказывается, мне сосуд для омовения в запарке попался.
Следующую попытку произвел на пятничном намазе, и суннитский имам немедленно наклеил мне очередное благословение. Насколько мне известно, он не был в курсе нашего договора с дьяволом - и тем не менее, выбрал бумажку именно про борьбу с нечистым. Учитывая, что после полуночи к нам должен был яявиться нечистый и требовать исполнения договора - оно оказалось очень в тему.


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Aug 10 2013, 06:48 PM
Отправлено #31

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(Olgerd @ Aug 5 2013, 07:52 PM) Только раз на игре я увидел как глава султаната убил по дороге шиита, за то, что он не поздоровался! Это лучшее, что я увидел! Огромный респект!
Как тот шиит, которго убили, могу сказать: я вникал в различия между шиитами и суннитами. И это убийство было, ИМХО, абсолютно недостоверно, тем более, от султана. мусульмане - не католики, что бы резать иноверцев по дороге по принципу "закурить не найдется?".
Усугублю: как это описано, оно просто противоречит правоверному этикету - инициатива приветствий принадлежит старшему по положению. Как я понимаю, если это не является официальным мероприятием восхваления, без кивка "главы султаната" мимо него проходят тихо как пыль его ног
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Aug 11 2013, 05:30 AM
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QUOTE(Аксенов @ Aug 4 2013, 11:12 PM)
-Непонятная логика прокачки турок после падения Иконии. Собирайтесь, мстите, вот вам ленты, что бы все получилось. Вроде бы у прозевавших должны были быть проблемы с выходом и экономикой, ан нет. Войско, при лентах и даже с осадными орудиями.
Но вообще, мне все очень понравилось.
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