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Темы не увидела, а вопросы уже есть)

1. Есть ли понимание, какой протяженности маршруты доступны торговцам?
2. Если торговец продал товар на рынке при прохождении всего одного плеча маршрута, оказывает ли на его финансовое благополучие дальнейшая судьба товара?
3. Такса на рынке-% с суммы сделки или фиксированна?

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QUOTE(Gella @ Oct 26 2012, 08:15 AM)
Темы не увидела, а вопросы уже есть)

1. Есть ли понимание, какой протяженности маршруты доступны торговцам?
2. Если торговец  продал товар на рынке при прохождении всего одного плеча маршрута, оказывает ли на его финансовое благополучие дальнейшая судьба товара?
3. Такса на рынке-% с суммы сделки или фиксированна?
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Аджантис Oct 26 2012, 04:42 AM Это мы уже на основе анонса вопросы задаем, Димон... Отправлено #| Expand
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Это мы уже на основе анонса вопросы задаем, Димон!)

И это, сбор не 31, он 30ого - во вторник.
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Это мы уже на основе анонса вопросы задаем, Димон!)

И это, сбор не 31, он 30ого - во вторник.
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Да, длина 1 КПП, не больше. Кол-во маршрутов на старт 1-2.
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2. Если торговец  продал товар на рынке при прохождении всего одного плеча маршрута, оказывает ли на его финансовое благополучие дальнейшая судьба товара?
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Вот еще вопросы:

1. судя по правилам, некие деньги большинство игроков получат только на старт игры (при этом это лишь мое предположение, т.к. в текущей версии правил про это не сказано - может и вовсе не получат..?), основной вопрос при этом - если учесть, что вся экономика построена на торговле, от куда ты предполагаешь, чтобы у персонажей брались деньги в течении игры (я имею в виду всех кроме самих торговцев, правиталей, гос.служащих которых по идее должны будут прокормить правители + кабаков, у которых деньги будут всегда).
Т.к. в любом случае деньги зарабатывают купцы-короли-бармены.

На 16 веке, помнится, были доходы с земель - они правда были не высоки, но хотя бы были. Как быть, допустим, рыцарю с вьефом, который в реальной истории с него кушал, а на игре этого не предусмотренно, при этом военнообязан он круглогодично т.к. вассал., и за это платы не предусмотрено)
На игре будет ему оч обидно, уверен)

Вообщем хочется твои мысли на этот счет услышать.

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Еще вот какой вопрос - товары на игре по сути чипобол, и в моделируемых владениях не производятся, на сколько я понимаю из концепции. При этом, конечно, ты понимаешь, что вы упростили ситуацию, т.к. на Святой земле таки было н-кол-ва производств - частично оружия, вина, тканей и т.п. (это я в целом про всю Палестину сейчас).
Будут ли мастера каким то образом правилами пытаться привлекать народ в игру некиеми ремесленниками - тем самым многочисленным средним классом, которого было большинство в те времена. Чтобы они чувствовали себя полезными, а не просто просиживающими штаны. Это уже чуть более глобальный вопрос чем просто экономический, но и экономический тоже.

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Хорошие вопросы:

1. Планирую этим заняться ближе к весне, когда буду балансировать модель. Если пойму, что по-другому никак, придется сделать некоторым небольшой виртуальный доход.

2. Про ремесленников, во-первых, их было реально довольно мало, это не многочисленный средний класс, их 1% населения. На игре будет больше (в силу того, что нет крестьян), но на самом деле их не так уж и много.
А во-вторых, да, мы их привлекать будем. Не обязательно через экономику.
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1. Планирую этим заняться ближе к весне, когда буду балансировать модель. Если пойму, что по-другому никак, придется сделать некоторым небольшой виртуальный доход.

Ок, тут тебя услышал - насчет виртуальных земель и дохода с них.
Но у меня вопрос был чуть более развернутый)
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основной вопрос при этом - если учесть, что вся экономика построена на торговле, от куда ты предполагаешь, чтобы у персонажей брались деньги в течении игры (я имею в виду всех кроме самих торговцев, правиталей, гос.служащих которых по идее должны будут прокормить правители + кабаков, у которых деньги будут всегда).
Т.к. в любом случае деньги зарабатывают купцы-короли-бармены.


Про ремесленников - именно в силу того, что крестьян мы вообще ни на одной территории не моделируем, а моделируем города, чье население состояло из купцов, высшего класса и тех самых ремесленников, на игре очень актуально понимать, во что будут играть горожане не занятые торговлей. Ну в самом деле, не могут же у нас быть одни торговцы.

Насчет ремесленников, правильно ли я понимаю, что у этой конкретной РИ лучше спрашивать не у мастера по экономике, а у мастеров по сюжету?
Тогда, раз уж Юрец тут, большая просьба к нему - поскорее вывесить хотя бы очень предварительные правила по ремесленникам - чтобы можно было мотивировать людей ехать оными на игру (пока то что процитировал Торгрим в другом посте - ооочень общие слова, и в основном про переписчика сур и духовную составляющую) - ибо сейчас, после вывешивания правил по экономике, народ начинает писать мне, что не понимают, для чего они нужны на игре.
Это не наезды, друзья, не принимайте их так, это попытка совместного мозгового штурма - вы видите под одним углом игру, естественно более широким чем мы, игроки, но и нам иногда видны какие то тенденции, которые могут ускользнуть от вас. (хотя я и не претендую, может я пишу ерунду))

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Теперь новый вопрос. Война)
В смысле экономика в условиях войны - каким образом будет меняться торговая сетка при военных действиях - просто в находящийся в осаде город физически не привести товар, или же еще и цены на рынке будут варьироваться? При чем не только в том городе, но и, допустим, в соседнем?

Еще один немаловажный вопрос - город N пал - штурмующие ворвались в город, и как всегда осажденные либо сидели без денег действительно, либо деньги сныкали в палатки, а кусок казны ловкачи действительно смогли пронести мимо зазевавшихся осаждавших. Вопрос в том, что в реальной жизни конечно же такие вещи пронести бы скорее всего не удалось - не те объемы, а если бы и удалось, то только часть, но все равно завоеватель неплохо бы поживился - от сюда вопрос, как планируется моделировать эти вещи на игре?
Что нашел по реалу из игровых ценностей - то и твое?
Или все же руководитель/тели похода получат от МГ некий доход с захваченной территории?

Следующий вопрос - это будет разовая акция, или если ты удержал город N часов, то получишь деньги N раз?

Или и вовсе - сперва получил определенную сумму как захватчик, а потом если можешь удерживать город под своим контролем, получаешь автоматом те самые деньги с налогов?

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Женя, сформулируй пож-та, эти вопросы еще раз.
Насколько я понимаю, они претерпели некоторые изменения, в связи с обсуждениями боевки. Или нет?


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Здесь вы обсуждаете, так нужные простым людям темы, они способны помочь многим люям, которые попали в трудную жизненную ситуацию. Я тоже почерпнула у вас много полезных советов, за которые, большое вам спасибо добрые люди.
Совсем недавно в нашей семье всё было хорошо. Но беда пришла неожиданно, в жизни так бывает. Мой муж стал инвалидом у него случился унсульт.
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Недавно нашла в интернете интересную статью, которая меня заинтересовала, решила её опубликовать, может она поможет ещё кому-нибудь.
По немножку применяю советы из статьи и у меня стало получаться, вот какая у меня новость.
Не судите меня строго, потому что, я ищу выход из моей ситуации, как могу.
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1. вопрос По виртуальным землям и дохода с них. Я помню что про него ты оворил что подумаешь к весне, но просто напоминаю что вопрос все еще актуален и если вдруг раньше надумаешь - гут.

2. если учесть, что вся экономика построена на торговле, от куда ты предполагаешь, чтобы у персонажей брались деньги в течении игры (я имею в виду всех кроме самих торговцев, правиталей, гос.служащих которых по идее должны будут прокормить правители + кабаков, у которых деньги будут всегда).
Т.к. в любом случае деньги зарабатывают купцы-короли-бармены.

3. Околовоенная экономика:
В смысле экономика в условиях войны - каким образом будет меняться торговая сетка при военных действиях - просто в находящийся в осаде город физически не привести товар, или же еще и цены на рынке будут варьироваться? При чем не только в том городе, но и, допустим, в соседнем?

4. Еще один немаловажный околовоенный экономический вопрос- город N пал - штурмующие ворвались в город, и как всегда осажденные либо сидели без денег действительно, либо деньги сныкали в палатки, а кусок казны ловкачи действительно смогли пронести мимо зазевавшихся осаждавших. Вопрос в том, что в реальной жизни конечно же такие вещи пронести бы скорее всего не удалось - не те объемы, а если бы и удалось, то только часть, но все равно завоеватель неплохо бы поживился - от сюда вопрос, как планируется моделировать эти вещи на игре?
Что нашел по реалу из игровых ценностей - то и твое?
Или все же руководитель/тели похода получат от МГ некий доход с захваченной территории?

5. Следующий вопрос - это будет разовая акция, или если ты удержал город N часов, то получишь деньги N раз?

Или и вовсе - сперва получил определенную сумму как захватчик, а потом если можешь удерживать город под своим контролем, получаешь автоматом те самые деньги с налогов?
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Хорошие вопросы.
Постараюсь поскорее ответить.


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Вопросы следующие - есть ли какие то определеные правила по необходимым минимальным постройкам порта и рынка в городах..?
Как оно вообще выглядит и что должны организовать игроки?

Конкретно интересует Акра и Иерусалим)
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Уважаемые игроки, наш мастер по экономике в отпуске, он ответит после 29 июня.
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Уважаемые игроки, наш мастер по экономике в отпуске, он ответит после 29 июня.
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А ты не мог бы ответить на мой вопрос? просто вы до 7ого ждете заказ по строй материалам, а если ответ по данному вопросу будет только после 29ого, времени совсем мало на раздумья и подсчеты и согласования внутри команд остается..
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По существу никаких требований, учитывающих дополнительные строематериалы существенных не будет.
Ну может 4-5 досок уйдет.

В общем случае рынок это площадь в городе, где сидит мастерский торговец, висит его вывеска и все прочие торговцы (игровые) могут там тоже сидеть или лавки их могут выходить на эту площадь.
Было бы здорово, чтобы она была эстетически оформлена как-то. Рекомендации по оформлению домов и городов есть на сайте.

Порты по большому счету мы ввели т.к. иначе торговец из Каира (в силу географии полигона) не сможет наверняка с товаром дойти до "Европы". Думаю, единственное что будет нужно это флаг и городские ворота (которые все и так строят).

Выжимка - существенных требований к материалам не будет. Эстетика общегородская. Какие-то требования к оформлению могут быть.
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Что вы можете предложить чтобы ваши торговцы были заинтересованы привезти товар,а не торговать картинками с товаром?
  
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Лавка мастерского торговца и ее оформление - задача мастерского торговца?

под остальными торговцами ты же имеешьв в виду любых ремесленников что торгуют чем то на игре - ну то есть скажем в одном городе это может быть заявленный кузнец с оружием и торговка укропом, а в другой заявился только торговец свечами, и он один сидит недалеко от мастерского торговца в оформленным им же самим лавяке? ну или не оформленной если он с рук торгует допустим..?

вот насчет портов вопрос тонкий - порт может находиться внутри городской черты и соответсвенно защищен от врага? (в целом логично, но не ясно как именно смоделировать-построить)?
его функция какая вообще игротехнчиеская?
в эту точку приходит мастер с товаром из какой нить Европы и в эту же точку мастерский торговец утаскивает товар в туже Европу?

то есть для той же Акры осмысленно рынок и порт иметь единым местом?
порт должен быть оформлен как некие мостки и даром что они ведут не прям в реку, а на луг?
и тут чисто эстетический вкус игроков включается?

(мы вот теоретически могли бы вынести кусок стены города близко к воде и крайней точкой сделать порт и рынок - так подойдет?)

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В минимальном варианте - да (т.е. стол и стул). Дальнейшее облагораживание рынка и прочей городской территории - на игроках.

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под остальными торговцами ты же имеешьв в виду любых ремесленников что торгуют чем то на игре - ну то есть скажем в одном городе это может быть заявленный кузнец с оружием и торговка укропом, а в другой заявился только торговец свечами, и он один сидит недалеко от мастерского торговца в оформленным им же самим лавяке? ну или не оформленной если он с рук торгует допустим..?


Какое-то пошло ненужное усложнение.
Если кто хочет поторговать чем-то может поторговать на рынке или не на рынке.
Если у кого-то стационарная торговая точка, то может ещё при строяке сделать так, чтобы она выходила окнами на рыночную площадь, что логично.
И кузнец и торговка укропом и торговец свечами и оформленная лавка могут находиться на рыночной площади и будет здорово, если так они и поступят, рынок для этого и создан ведь. Кто в каком городе хочет торговать (или приезжий опять же) может торговать на рынке.
Я бы кстати это ещё регламентировал игровыми постановлениями, хотя бы с того, что упрощает налогообложение если все в одной точке.

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вот насчет портов вопрос тонкий - порт может находиться внутри городской черты и соответсвенно защищен от врага? (в целом логично, но не ясно как именно смоделировать-построить)?


Такой модельной сущности как порт, которую можно пожечь, разграбить или сломать вообще нет. Модельно - достаточно выйти за ворота и в спокойной обстановке поднять флаг корабля. Для этого достаточно, чтобы под стенами в данный момент не стояло враждебной торговцу армии / банды, ну и чтобы ворота ему открыли. Что там касается того, что в разоренном городе может закрыться порт за счет разорения, то это может быть просто следствием того, что город в целом разграбили.

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его функция какая вообще игротехнчиеская?
в эту точку приходит мастер с товаром из какой нить Европы и в эту же точку мастерский торговец утаскивает товар в туже  Европу?


У порта? Никакой, как я писал выше. Удобно иметь место, где торговец попрощается с женой перед дальним путешествием и наоборот прибудит и пафосно разгрузит груз.
Морские путешествия - не то, что мы активно моделируем на этой игре.

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то есть для той же Акры осмысленно рынок и порт иметь единым местом?


ИМХО да, конечно, чем больше торговой активности привлечь в одно место, тем живее оно будет и похожее на порт и рынок.

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порт должен быть оформлен как некие мостки и даром что они ведут не прям в реку, а на луг?
и тут чисто эстетический вкус игроков включается?


Чисто эстетический вкус игроков. Возможно, потребуется вывеска/маркер.

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(мы вот теоретически могли бы вынести кусок стены города близко к воде и крайней точкой сделать порт и рынок - так подойдет?)


Можно, если вам это не геморойно. Главное, чтобы между Акрой и рекой можно было пройти (тому же торговцу, плывушему из Каира в "Кордову".
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У нас не могут быть поселения торговцев регламентированы в одном месте т к и в рамках мира и в в рамках мастерского представления у нас есть четкое разделение на кварталы по разным религиям.

Мой основной вопрос про рынок был именно в регламентированных мастерами постройках рынке чтобы он считался рынком. Ответ получен - это мастерская точка и площадь. Если на нее выходят торговые точки - вообще отлично

Спасиб!
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Про порт хотел уточнить :

Путешествия 'по воде' выходит планируются? То есть порты не будут стартовой и финальной точкой товарооборота, а может быть промежуточной? Скажем Каир-Акра-Триполи?

Правила по морским перемещениям уже прописаны? Если опустил - извиняюсь и тогда лучше прочту прям их, чем озадачивать, а если же нет - когда их ждать?
И пока их нет (если и впрямь еще нет) уточни как выглядит приход в порт - торговец подходит к портовому городу и там возле его ворот типа сходит на берег, объявляя это действие? Или же что то еще?
Соответственно в не портовых городах он естественно сходить с корабля и вообще на 'корабле' приходить не может?
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Ты ничего не проглядел, просто мы буквально несколько часов назад повесили правила по путешествиям на сайт: http://jerusalem.rpg.ru/m/travel
Пока даже не успели проанонсировать, напишем об этом в жж-вк-форум буквально завтра.

Если останутся вопросы — напиши чуть конкретнее, ответим.
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Есть несколько вопросов:

1)
В правилах несколько раз упоминаются КПП-Оазисы, и даже есть их список на странице правил по путешествиям.

Но письменная запись неудобна. Не могли бы мастера выложить схему:

Граф дорог|Оазисов, со взвешенными ребрами (хотя бы примерно длинна дороги).

2)Как именно меняется цена товара при прохождении локаций и оазисов?
В каких местах на нее влияют местные налоги (игровые), и в каких местах товар дешевеет|дорожает по естественным причинам. Если можно, было бы очень удобно видеть точки модификации цены это на графе.

АПДЕЙТ: Попытался нарисовать граф по имеющимся данным, и не понял двух вещей:

1)Где находится регион "Антиохия"? У него нет порта и в него не идет ни один оазис.

2)Где находятся "Смирна", "Акра" и "Битлис"?

Они упоминаются в правилах, но не указано, как в них попасть.

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Посмотрите карту:
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Триполи, Акра и Антиохия — один большой макрорегион, внутри перемещение без оазисов; наружу — через любой из трех оазисов на границе.
Про Смирну и Битлис, думаю, все понятно.

Что касается вопроса про экономику, мы сейчас считаем цены и экономику в целом, как только будет информация — все сообщим.

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Да, и мы нарисуем еще одну карту, уже с привязкой к реальному полигону, на которой все будет отмечено именно так, как будет на игре. Ее мы не стали рисовать до Первой Эпохи, так как думали, что кое-какие перестановки возможны по итогам игры. Но теперь нарисуем.
На этой карте будут оазисы, границы и маршруты караванов.

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При этом геноцид оказывает негативный эффект на экономику не только этого региона, но и соседних, соответственно, виртуальные владения не приносят доход.


Ого!
Т.е. допустим некий агрессор (фуфуфу ему) устроил геноцид в Иконии. И от этого страдают в итоге: Византия, Армения, Сирия, Багдад и государства крестоносцев . Я все правильно понял?


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Ого!
Т.е. допустим некий агрессор (фуфуфу ему) устроил геноцид в Иконии. И от этого страдают в итоге: Византия, Армения, Сирия, Багдад и государства крестоносцев . Я все правильно понял?
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Не совсем корректная формулировка с нашей стороны.
Имеется ввиду, что если геноцид произошел, скажем, в Дамаске, то виртуальный доход получает не только собственно город Дамаск, но так же и виртуальные владения, находящиеся рядом с Дамаском (т.е. условно принадлежавшие на начало игры игрокам, проживавшим в Дамаске).

Я поправлю формулировку к понедельнику, спасибо!
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Здравствуйте, правильно ли я понимаю, что товары увеличивают свою цену в момент перепродажи на рынке, но не увеличивают её в момент пересечения оазисов? Что будет, если торговец (не игрок с игротехнической функцей "торговец", подтвержденная карточкой, а персонаж, занимающийся коммерцией) провезет товар от Акры до Битлиса (от Европы до Азии), по какой цене он сможет продать свой товар там?
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Здравствуйте, правильно ли я понимаю, что товары увеличивают свою цену в момент перепродажи на рынке, но не увеличивают её в момент пересечения оазисов? Что будет, если торговец (не игрок с игротехнической функцей "торговец", подтвержденная карточкой, а персонаж, занимающийся коммерцией) провезет товар от Акры до Битлиса (от Европы до Азии), по какой цене он сможет продать свой товар там?
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Привет.

Все правильно, в момент продажи на рынке.

Такой персонаж получит 20% от исходной цены товара, не увеличенной:-)

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QUOTE(Torgrim @ Jul 21 2013, 08:06 PM)
Привет.

Все правильно, в момент продажи на рынке.

Такой персонаж получит 20% от исходной цены товара, не увеличенной:-)
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А при перепродаже на рынке? каков примерный прирост стоимости?
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А при перепродаже на рынке? каков примерный прирост стоимости?
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Ганс, я всю конкретику (цены, расписания рынков, точек ввода, известные маршруты и т.д.) выдам во втоник перед игрой, на сборе по экономике.

Просто потому, что буду корректировать баланс по фактической расстановке сил/заезду.


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